Curse

Ollj · Sep 14, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

This is more than just an overview about all elite skills in guild wars.

all elite skills are arranged in a circle that gives great overview about the general ballance of build wars builds.

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made by Ollj to get overview over all elites and possible builds:
This is the first version of it, im sure its full of errors.

The further outside an elite skill is the more attributes you should use with it and the less use of your secondary cass you should make.
The closer an elite is to the middle the less attributes you should use with it, they should be used as secondary attribute/class.

The elites that are surrounded by elites of the same class use the "primary attribute" of that class more than the elites next to other classes.
Elites that are at the border of a class have more the "character" of the class they are next to, for example the mesmer to ele border has spiking elites, the necro to monk border has healing elites. This is how the classes characters overlap!

An elite is in general best against the elites that are 1/6 turn clockwise from is and worst against the elite that that are 1/6 counterclockwise from it.
Every elite is slightly superior to the next 1/3 of all elites that come clockwise and slightly inferior to the previous 1/3 elites counterclockwise.

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any browser should be able to open that flash.swf file:

Gaiserik · Sep 14, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Thats pretty cool

Ollj · Sep 15, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

this is what im working on now. a logical overview over all skils.

its like an instant build builder.

Rancour · Sep 15, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

I have yet to understand the system completely but it's pretty cool.

Ensign · Sep 15, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Isn't this just a pretty picture based upon the bullshit formula?

Mariena Feladon · Sep 15, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Ollj

this is what im working on now. a logical overview over all skils.

its like an instant build builder.

I think this beats your build builder.

Silmor · Sep 15, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

The picture needs more lens flare if you ask me, to properly highlight its brilliance.

Just a random question, according to your picture, Aura of Faith is a good against Gladiator's Defense. What is the precise logic of promoting the use of a defensive elite against a defensive elite?

And which research did you perform to conclude that the Guild Wars skills were designed to fit into such a pattern? Surely an intricate system doesn't drop out of thin air. I'm very interested in the science behind this!

schutz · Sep 15, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

lol Mariena Feladon that builder is terrible, its telling me to use 3 15 energy skills as w/mo and saying that i should be using a hammer and have the skill riposte which is a sword/shield defense, half the time the weapon requirements are about 6 to, no max damage weapon can have that its also told me to use sword/axe/fire in 1 build wtf lol

Nash · Sep 15, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Instant build builder eh? You mean you build builds? Who would've thought!

Thank you for making that clear, and for this amazing chart that just puts everything in perspective so clearly. Now I know, that if I ever need to run a condition build, I can counter Martyr with Lingering Curse. And Thunderclap owns against Blood is Power.

Silmor you're just jealous that you didn't think of this first. Don't be a hater!

neoflame · Sep 15, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Oh, use Flourish against Greater Conflagration! How could I have never seen that before!?

And Skull Crack beats the hell out of Crippling Shot... hmm, good to know.

Labrie · Sep 16, 2005, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by schutz

lol Mariena Feladon that builder is terrible, its telling me to use 3 15 energy skills as w/mo and saying that i should be using a hammer and have the skill riposte which is a sword/shield defense, half the time the weapon requirements are about 6 to, no max damage weapon can have that its also told me to use sword/axe/fire in 1 build wtf lol

I especially liked the Ele/War with Earth Attunement and Chain Lighting, but no earth skills.

Ollj · Sep 16, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Yes, ensign the bullshit formular got extended by a second dimension to make that picture, thats basically it.
Still works great btw.
Of course the amount of 455 skills makes it a bit messy and it becomes blurry.

One and Two · Sep 16, 2005, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Interesting. The instand build builder told me to put points into swordsmanship, axe mastery and hammer mastery. hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Ollj · Sep 16, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

the further outside the clearer is the a defeats b thing.
The more to the middle the more similar the skills become( to a skill of another class at the same position) , but the classes still have the a defeats b thing.

Flourish > Greater confliguration:
Flourish boosts all attacks, greater confliguration nullifies all physical damage . Necromaners and some monks hate that, but Wariors dont care.

Skull crack > crippling Shot:
They are both too much in the middle to see a clear ">", but they basically do the same: Prevent the monk from casting or prevent the warriors from movement. They are arranged in similarity.

Lingering > Marthyr:
Lingering destroys monk enchantments as maryr cures warrior conditions. They can also me used defensively against elementalist enchantments and necromancer conditions.

Thunderclap > Blood is Power:
BiP gives a lot of energy to support elementalists and primarily for monks and warriors, all sometimes need a lot of energy in a short time.
Thunderclap knocks down a lot in a short time, perfect against necromancers, monks and defensively against mesmers. all can cast a lot in a short time and would like not to be knocked down meanwhile. Other classes dont care much for being knocked down.

Nightwish · Sep 16, 2005, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by One and Two

Interesting. The instand build builder told me to put points into swordsmanship, axe mastery and hammer mastery. hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Effective, I say. In battles, you can switch weapons effectively without losing their damage. Use hamstring + executioner strike ftw!

rii · Sep 16, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

How do you propose to get 16 weapon attribute in all three weapons>? I think youll find you loose a fair bit of damage tbh...

FrogDevourer · Sep 16, 2005, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Great job Ollj! Thanks for the laugh. You deserve a monthly column in the humour category. I don't know what's more funny, the original pictures or your outstanding explanations regarding Lingering Curse and Martyr.

Sorry to sound sarcastic, but next time please post this kind of pictures in "Nolani Academy of Arts and Crafts", or be ready to backup your statements much more seriously. In its current state, your initial post looks like a perfect flame bait for serious posters.

Sarus · Sep 16, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Of course the amount of 455 skills makes it a bit messy and it becomes blurry.

If by blurry you mean useless then I agree.

Thanks for the chuckle though.

jesh · Sep 16, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

This "Instant Awesome Build" thing is so cool. It gave me the best build I've ever tried!

Ranger/Warrior

Flurry
Muddy Terrain
Kindle Arrows
Power Shot
Wary Stance
Hundred Blades [Elite]
Penetrating Attack
Ignite Arrows

8 Expertise
8 Wilderness Survival
10 Marksmanship
8 Tactics
7 Swordsmanship
Dead Points: 0

/sarcasm

zehly · Sep 16, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

J'aime! I like the concept, at least. I'm working on something similar, although not as pretty. Still crunching numbers on the cluster.